Again, a lot will depend upon the future demand for air travel. FO Adam absolutely nailed it. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. 1) Free Housing! Love! Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. The low cost price they originally show you is a scam. I am quite happy Doctor Kendor didn't get too comfortable in some cushy union-enabled physical therapy gig offering an artificial pay scale and relentlessly reinforcing an artificial sense of self-importance. 3) People as interns/college kids: I would like to have a job for life. He is probably right in both those factors. FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. Expect this trend to accelerate in the next 3-5 years. Scary and for sure a company that will NEVER see me on any of there planes! At 55 min, it seems like a part time job. I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. There is not a lot to do these days in an aircraft cabin. The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" I think they are going to offer a lot of things people actually might want to pay for, deliver them speedily and in a high quality way, and make it attractive to buy multiple products. Maybe its just SPS. As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. That's open, unabashed exploitation of skilled labor in an (only temporary) downtown. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card, Avelo Airlines having launched operations, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup, expected to start selling tickets any day now, Breeze Airways views flight attendants as interns, Breeze wants you to buy a filet mignon sandwich, Breeze will have low fares, no change fees, Breeze has a huge cost advantage over competitors, Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, Should Babies Be Allowed In First Class? Welcome! Upon arrival, you sat for 5 hours, then returned to LGA. Joined APC: Jan 2006. People in that position have the option of not working and watching their skills and socialization go fallow, or working and having the first and last dollar of their income taxed at 70% and more under federal and state taxation. I am sure they expect this, but will like to see what happens. This company is bad for the US economy and society. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. Not for everyone - dah. Criticizing workers for lack of professional ambition is part of our toxic "professional achievement & success, income as identity" culture, especially where there are so many ways to live fulfilling lives that are not defined by constant growth of income. Wondering about pilot recruitment/requirements. Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. Spent $50 at the Vagabond motel next to the airport. I have worked with underpaid and undermotivated staff, and it s not pretty: for the staff, the management, the investors and the customers. The number of terrible domestic airlines keeps increasing. You don't get any insurances. Guess which days you're going to be working? 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Hey. Technology is greatuntil something goes wrong. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. We pay the least to all our staff! Is this essentially age discrimination? When I flew with Virgin America I was based at SFO, but lived in ORD. For what you spent in training together with what is intelectually asked of a pilot, pay is completely out of line with most smaller/regional airlines. I knew one guy that slept in the crew lounge and wandered DEN between trips. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. We wont pay for nice things. In the end I wish people would stop looking at every opportunity through their own eyes and realize that not every job has to be a union job or a job with all the perks of a career. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. When I met my wife, she wanted to be a physical therapist. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. If a pilot gets into a successful start up, the long term benefit to quality of life could be substantial and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. The race to the bottom continues. It was not seen until uploaded/posted :(. 2. This might work at Breeze for now given the state of the airline industry, but somethings gotta give over time here. I'm curious how many days on-call per month they have. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. Pilots are incredibly overpaid as it is. Most people care about price and reasonably courtesy interactions. Your slip is showing. Breeze Airways insights Based on 31 survey responses Areas for improvement Fair pay for job Support from manager Overall satisfaction Bad leadership Customer Service Representative (Former Employee) - Salt Lake City, UT - February 13, 2023 Breeze has potential as a start-up. Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. Tons of excess pilot supply at the moment. Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. 2. So a lifelong career. It's exactly what I have been saying for years. To eat while traveling. Housing is a huge hurdle for new flight attendants. Spirit passengers, not so much. Breeze Airways | AirlinePilotCentral.com Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. There is no coercion, there is no exploitation - if the pay is too little, pilots won't join and they'll have to revamp their compensation structure to entice people to join. The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. Even with the limited details we know, its clear Breeze will be different than other airlines, from its approach to hiring flight attendants, to its cost structure, to its fleet. I considered myself a professional and definitely grew with my profession.. All union issues aside I find it interesting that he has singled out the flight attendants specifically.. Nobody even knows what the work culture, training will be like at this startup, yet look at all of the certainty in these comments already. The company hopes to take flight just over two years later, with service launching later this year. *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. This combination of low salary and high demands cannot be good for retention. Breeze Airways is ready to take flight. This is cynical exploitation at its worst and I hope that the public recognises this and vote with their feet. Individuals can't afford premiums. Many of those interns go on to be millionaires, build businesses, and manage to be +5 insightful and funny. The pay scale also looks good. Breeze will initially fly 118-seat Embraer 195s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. Aviation is amazing!! These comments are something else. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. (E-190) Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Not a bad gig for a college student. I have no doubts in How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? Dolts.read the whole article. I'm a retired AA captain. Go there to get flight time and then move on. Ahead of the launch, Forbes has an interesting story about the airline, after having spent some time with founder David Neeleman. Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. Can't wait to see more innovation!! Beauty: Not in the job description, but undoubtedly a plus from a marketing perspective. On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. maximum takeoff weight), Note: PIC is defined as Captain or Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must pass a DOT pre-employment drug test, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, MyIDTravel (preferred), or list at the gate, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? I could have worked for the also defunct Pilgrim Airlines. My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. Breeze knows this. Founded in 2018, Breeze Airways was advertised to become the Worlds Nicest Airline. 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! Many young girls and guys want to be a flight attendant from 20-65 or older. I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. Not if you wanted good work done. Find Salaries Clear All Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. (Example: last day of training in Chicago they say you're assigned to Newark. Free shipping for many products! It's that, or FO Adam absolutely nailed it. Most professionals are comfortable with the idea of a starter job, and aren't looking for a father figure in their employer to guide them gently into old age. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly Will they get pilots? This isnt a job, its servitude by hopeless people who have been abandoned by their government and economic system. The corporate-provided housing actually sounds like an appealing thing for many college students. This is absolutely exploitive. That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. Nice. All rights reserved. They have no employees right now and are relying upon applicants to look at the pay and say "Sounds good enough to me." Kendor gonna be thrilled when Breeze slashes wages by another third in exchange for company scrip redeemable for filet mignon sandwiches. Nah man, cars suck. The industry does need an overall. This is not to fault or say any of my peers who's airlines have gone defunct (through no doing of their own) are underskilled pilots - they are well seasoned vets of an industry that was finally recovering from 9/11, the recession, age 65 rule and now COVID. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. The a la carte formula is very popular whether you personally like it or not. Each model comes with display stand, rolling gears, and is assembled and ready to display. Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? may be it is totally moronic. You should be too. Do you really want to get on an airplane flown by people with financial problems and no better options? Breeze Airways | AirlinePilotCentral.com This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. Their value is astronomical. Yep.when there is an emergency on board and seconds or mistakes can mean the difference between life and death, what I want is a bunch of 20 something overgrown teenagers with absolutely no investment in their jobs in charge! I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. I have no doubts in my mind that they'll increase it in time, but they need a few years of profitability under their belt first so they can justifiably offer higher hours/pay. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. It's not like America's legacy airlines are immune to hiring very young, very inexperienced people. less than daily to leisure/small markets. Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? Why @sruart does the country really need more low wage perminent temporary jobs? So Breeze might get a few "interns" but the vast majority of people wanting the job want to stay there their whole working lives. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. Have you gone to college? Breeze initially only hired flight attendants who didn't have college degrees, so that they could enroll in an online university and live in company housing, getting paid only $1,200 per month; when the airline didn't get enough interest there, Breeze started hiring part-time flight attendants This has been the business model of little outfits like this for 30 years. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. Housing and travel to/from work provided. Launching an airline carrier during a pandemic when aviation losses are in the billions, seems to be a tricky business proposition. But how does this affect pay for pilots? You can work at a lot of fast food places and now get $15 an hour plus benefits. Our fares are low! Interesting, @EMBCAPTN. I think a lot of Airlines would be happy to have the pilots at 55 instead of 75. To airline pilots is there anything Im missing here that would make Breeze an attractive employer? It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. Think lifeguards. I can't always trust a computer system to give me the perks or pay attention to the details I care about. Oh wait. This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. When it comes to Breeze Airways, theres good news and bad news. The Dept. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. Get real. pilots @AA, UA, DL = NYC cab drivers. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. At this point, offset the difference by instructing or other commercial needs. And their policy looks discriminatory to me as it seems to (without directly saying it) exclude any older, experienced flight attendants and those who are married. I worked for the now defunct Bar Harbor Airlines in the 80s. What Are Redeye Flights? In the meantime, if you don't like the pay, go see if another airline is hiring. Im a retired AA captain. Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941 -MTS The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. Take it easy. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. If not the comparison is poor. It is obvious that ,"Your Highness" doesn't appreciate the one class of employees that can encourage repeat business - because flight attendants are the ONLY employees that have a constant interaction with customers. Sounds very ME3. Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. Contract of Carriage. The starting and long-term salaries offered by Breeze Airway are as follows for First Officers and Captains: First Officers: $55 an hour raise to $94 an hour by the sixth year of employment, Captains: $117 an hour raised to $143 an hour by year six of flying with the company. Everyone should apply. Get some help. For the rest of my career at VX I commuted into SFO the night before a trip. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I graduate. As a society we have started to forget the notion of a first job leading to better skills and better salary. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. Breeze will hire the lowest time, least skilled pilots begging for their first "jet job", just like all the regionals do. Breeze Now, Pay Later. A new airline that bills itself as "seriously nice" first took to the skies in 2021. Read on. The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. Breeze Airways to Offer Pilots Uncompetitive Pay Expect PGD, IAG, SFB, ORH, RFD, PIT and to change seasonally. Its unfair pay but it is a fun job and these are weird times. This is a very exciting idea indeed! So Breeze might get a few "interns" but the vast majority of people wanting the job want to stay there their whole working lives. This is corporate serfdom masquerading as an "opportunity". I wish more airlines provided housing options. All applicants are required to have at least 1,500 total hours with 1,000 hours of. This is how young doctors learn their craft in America and all over the world. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. First year SkyWest pilots make more than Breeze pilots. That sounds part time and probably better since you are getting paid for all of your time. Not everyone is born into wealth and that could be one of the deciding factors for people to apply. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. There could be plenty of pilots typed and timed in the E-jets whod be willing to take this awhile waiting to get (back) to the majors. Breeze Airways Opens Flight Attendant Recruitment Beyond Online I liked the idea of them providing housing so I didn't have to scramble to find a crash pad or sign a lease somewhere. Even the ME3 flight attendants start on a salary of around $3,000 per month plus housing and that is tax-free. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. I know that Breeze is hiring for captain right seat flying, aka the pilot has captain qualifications, but will be flying as first officers until there is enough flying for them to be moved to the left seat. Whats my take? Working at Breeze Airways: Employee Reviews | Indeed.com Glorious. I'm 41. Also, let's be honest: COVID is a new reality for pilots. Finally, Breeze needs to get its financial footing or their employees could all be forced out on the street. In this post I wanted to cover a few of the highlights of this story, because there are some really surprising tidbits in here. Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. Is there a penalty for leaving early? It gets so tiresome. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. I expect a complete unbundling a la Spirit but with a much wider, more attractive range of upgrade interests for passengers. And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? JetBlue pilots earn significantly more per hour and are given a 70-hour monthly guarantee. Of course, what's needed is a severe pilot shortage to really change up the whole industry. It is a pity that in this country, health care should fall on the shoulders of an employer or the employee. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" at the best online prices at eBay! How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? Of course we know what Nelson is really up: unions cant stand having to compete and this model could threaten her power and the power of her union. You and a friend use your travel pass and visit a city. See more about our ethics policies here. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. There are a finite quantity of qualified pilots and the barrier to entry for that work is significant. If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. @samuel. They had over a hundred applicants. I don't see a huge ad component to revenue, which isn't how he ran JetBlue when he started it in the lowest point of the dotcom bust era. Also even the numbers you quote put them right in line (if not slightly above) the regional peers like SkyWest. Just the other day, the neighborhood Japanese restaurant is using robots to deliver food. Vote. Oh the horror of being open about the terms of the jobs and the compensation and then allowing potential flight attendants to decide if they want to accept the arrangement. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. Kendor coming out strongly in favor of Gilded Age company towns, I see. My regional got dumped by United and now Im at another regional at the bottom of a seniority list making way less money with bad work rules flying the same tail numbers I did before. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. Breeze has promised to pay flight attendants a fixed monthly rate of $1,200, alongside an annual bursary of $6,000 and free shared company accommodation. They can earn $40,000-$60,000 a year, cut you open, and often perform your entire surgery under the direct and indirect supervision of attending physicians, who are more experienced and make more like $350,000 to $700,000 a year.
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