ISIS is in Afghanistan, But Who Are They Really? He toyed with people like that. You look at the factual data, you look at the rifle, you look at the pistol ownership, you look at his note about the Walker shooting. Hes thinking about going to Cuba. I said, "We can look into it. . When he returned to the United States, he didn't want to be a Russian. Although that was Marguerite Oswald's first network television interview in many years, we were not the first journalists to speak with her. He was using his own imagination. The jobs not doing that good. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions that they were having an argument. It wasn't uncommon, after all, for American communists to experience disillusionment with the Soviet Union. What do you do with his general opportunity? ", I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. Anytime they brought anything up that pertained to the assassination of the president and the shooting of the police officer, he knew nothing about it. As far as material goods the car taking her to a grocery store the first time you can't believe how excited she was. He's getting a better opportunity, he thinks, in Dallas, because it's a bigger job market over there than what Fort Worth was at the time. I think he just liked the atmosphere that you could do anything that you wanted to do, that you could imagine you could do. So if we don't understand something, we assume that there is some sort of plot or conspiracy -- that there is an order, and we're just not seeing it. This is a lawyer well known for being involved in left-wing causes. We were a burden. We spent some time together. It didn't seem like a big deal. All these ups and downs he's having, he keeps trying to get up and make it at some level, but he's not succeeding. on the Internet. The Cold War was going on. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Interview'The defense actually made a pretty good case' Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald on live TV, yet his trial was no slam dunk In new book 'Kennedy's Avenger,' Dan Abrams and David. As Ruby evidently mismanaged the operation, he was given a choice to either finish the job himself or forfeit his life. The big question is why. That distinction belongs to my CBS colleague Bob. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? To me, you can't reach but one conclusion. He wanted to get his manuscript published if anybody was interested. At 11:21 am CST while authorities were escorting Oswald through the police basement to an armored car that was to take him to the nearby county jail Ruby stepped out from a crowd of reporters and fired his .38 revolver into Oswald's abdomen, fatally wounding him. But the Marine Corps has got set procedures and so forth to follow. How can you explain one without the other? The other thing was he wanted to get settled with the job. He always enjoyed books, but then he started exploring other areas. In 1966, Marguerite Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald's mother gave an exclusive interview to radio talk show host, Bob Allen. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? The first thing he says is -- and he points to it -- "It's tapped." What do you do with his rifle? This video contains Oswald's complete television interview. He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. Jolly West visited Jack Ruby in jail and gave him an injection and soon after Ruby died from rapid cancer, Jack was also a patsy! True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but his presence in the building was there. When I returned home from work that evening, I asked him about it, and he said, Well, everything went all right. I struggled through about 10 or 15 pages of it. So he's very upbeat up on it. Although Marina declined to be interviewed for FRONTLINE's program, McMillan talks about the perplexing, troubling events of Oswald's life based on what Marina confided to her. When Lee came back, how did he react to visits from the FBI when they came and saw him here? So Oswald benefitted from all that. He could be somebody from New York that knew a lot of things, somebody that could get around be somebody else. He said, "I don't know what they're talking about." What did he do? What did he have in the back of his mind? He toyed with the interrogators down at the Dallas police station, all that weekend [after the assassination]. web pages That was our affectionate name for Mother. I think three major things [were] on his mind at that particular time. It just didnt fit. Lee would rebel against the discipline of the Marine Corps when he had the opportunity to, when the leeway was there. Definitely not. You've talked about Lee's character -- trying to do something, getting frustrated, doing something dramatic. He had the presence of mind then to do that. ISIS' growing foothold in Afghanistan is captured on film. Oswald told Marina that killing Walker would have been like killing Hitler, so clearly Oswald imagined himself playing some kind of grand world-historical role, and it's noteworthy that the way in which he went about attempting to kill Walker was exactly the way he went about successfully killing John F. Kennedy. ISIS is in Afghanistan, But Who Are They Really? Somehow, somebody never realized what the Sam Hill was going on. This was his grand experience at the time. LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.nl: Boeken. Included is an interview with Abraham Zapruder, the clothing manufacturer and amateur moviemaker who shot the now . After obtaining a hardship discharge from the Marines, Lee Harvey Oswald left the United States for the Soviet Union in 1959. The first thing he says is and he points to it Its tapped. I tell him it may or may not be. He's always under this impression. Whereas Ella was rather innocent and timid and curious and prone to a kind of girlishness, Marina was anything but that. This would have to be at the federal level. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. But a new book from world-renowned JFK assassination researcher Josiah "Tink" Thompson comes to a shocking different conclusion: Lee Harvey Oswald did not fire the fatal shot that killed. What was his concern? Ive managed to keep it quiet. That was it. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but his presence in the building was there. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that they're moving to Dallas. " I'm just a patsy!"Lee Harvey Oswald Oswald the Assassin? With each failure to settle in, with each failure to secure a job or hold onto that job, with each failure to secure an apartment or placate his wife, to build any kind of life with each failure, his internal pressure mounts. Hes on a downhill run. If somebody passed out a leaflet on the street that contained a political statement for Marxism or communism or what have you, and if Lee had not run across that before, I could envision him looking at it, keeping it and saying, "Well, I wonder what this is all about." I wasn't real sure what the explanation was. Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. But then, Oct. 31, we hear that hes in Russia. His mother had the same type of imagination. Tracked down in 1977, Marguerite demanded a payday before talking about her son and showed off her 'library' of JFK assassination books. Oswald refused to talk to anyone at the U.S. embassy. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. Everything is deteriorating. Marxist doctrine is shot through with this furious rant against the bourgeoisie, against capitalism, against the society that had produced him. They wasnt going to convince him to say something. He failed at both. It's always a friend or a woman. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? Lee and Marina were having difficulties, just by being together I guess by being put in new circumstances and everything. I think the way Lee learned New York was just apply himself to it. If somebody passed out a leaflet on the street that contained a political statement for Marxism or communism or what have you, and if Lee had not run across that before, I could envision him looking at it, keeping it and saying, Well, I wonder what this is all about. This might have been the first leaflet that he ever got from anybody on the street. This type of thing would interest him, whether he went to an art museum or a library or a movie theater or just walked around and saw sights. In your mind, are there questions about whether Lee shot President Kennedy? On Nov. 22, [1963] it went way downhill. Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasn't necessarily anything they'd be interested in. Fingeroth also conducted interviews with Ruby family members and associates. Youve got all kinds of documented evidence. He told me about it, and I told him Id go with him. Those are the indications that say he took some thought, some planning over a long period of time. Its good that people raise questions and say, Wait a minute, lets take a second look at this. But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enoughs enough. He toyed with people like that. Soviet officials, puzzled by the sight of Oswald, sent him to Minsk, where he would live until 1962, returning to the United States with a wife and infant daughter, along with a murderous rage that will culminate in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on November 22, 1963. He said no, he wanted that one up there. Well look into it.. That to me is very plausible for him to do. And that process, that pattern was the same one that had occurred over and over in his life, and that was to attempt to settle in. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. And it's not surprising, because in many ways Marina was the antithesis of Ella. I said, "If you told me everything you've done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done." Hes already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. That influence was just tremendous on him. What do you do with his actions? He wasn't political. The continuity there, the lack of stability, I think, entered into that to a large degree. First, the $64,000 question: Why did Lee Harvey Oswald kill John F. Kennedy? Apparently he'd been planning this for a long time. That was it. He imagined himself taking part in something bold and totally separate from anything he had come from. Hed made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. Thats the shocker. My first lawyer Tom Howard told me to say that I shot Oswald so that Caroline and Mrs. Kennedy wouldn't have to come to Dallas to testify. He was, in fact, an American citizen all the time, and still had the rights of the American citizen. What do you mean? What do you do with his pistol? Theyve got the original negative. But he became disgusted with it and started rebelling against it, because he wanted to go back to a more independent attitude. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that theyre moving to Dallas. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as I'm concerned -- the Warren Commission was correct. Theyve gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. Marina Oswald and her mother-in-law, Marguerite Claverie Oswald, are seen through a window at the Dallas police station where her husband, Lee Harvey Oswald was being held in the. home+introduction+interviews+forum+twenty-four years+conspiracy Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. As I learned later on, he's becoming very belligerent to Mother. In this interview, Posner talks about the forensic evidence over the years that points to Oswald as the lone assassin and the lack of credible evidence to support the various conspiracy theories. There's hard physical evidence there. It's good that people raise questions and say, "Wait a minute, let's take a second look at this." He would talk about anything else. I think the way Lee learned New York was just apply himself to it. He never did answer. Oswald never stood trial for murder, because, while being transferred after having been taken into custody, he was shot and killed by Jack Ruby, a distraught Dallas nightclub owner. The main thing was getting a job and a manuscript. Skip to main content Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. At every step of the way, what leads Oswald to trying to remove himself from the Soviet Union is not anything intellectual or ideological -- nothing substantive in that respect. The two-hour documentary special traces Oswald's life from his boyhood to that fateful day in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, posing a number of questions: Was Oswald the emotionally disturbed "lone. But it was not terribly electric, it did not offer a lot in the way of possibility or newness. It was always separation, separation, separation. He is convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy and in this interview offers details about Lee's formative years and young adult life, describing how his brother's love of television shows on intrigue and espionage such as "I Led Three Lives," became the "training ground for his imagination." Youve got the backyard picture. In a private note to one of his attorneys, Joseph Tonahill, Ruby wrote: \"Joe, you should know this. He had the presence of mind then to do that. Also, he was put into an apartment that was a short walk from the Institute for Foreign Languages in Minsk, where one would meet girls who were studying English and were interested in foreigners, and were probably more adventurous, you might say. Hola, identifcate. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. I had to ask him very serious questions. Why do you think that so many Americans still cannot accept that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin of John F. Kennedy. This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, Me, myself and I will do something.. Five or six eyewitnesses there. This was deepened by his friendship with Pavel Golovachev, a few conservations he has with some other friends and associates, and he tends to get rather, not just tired, but really kind of fed up with the whole lifestyle. That's almost unbelievable. The other thing was he wanted to get settled with the job. Oswald met and married Marina in the Soviet. He found a spot, not very far, from where Walker was. Three, maybe more fundamentally, I think that modern man, especially in modern America, is just congenitally incapable of making sense of tragedy. If it was any other murder case other than the president of the United States, it would have been resolved right then. He would tolerate anything for a little bit. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family -- what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? One individual gave him a letter saying he could speak and write Russian at a particular level that he thought was real good. Interview: Gerald Posner. We had an old black-and-white. But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enough's enough. What would it be? Follow him on Twitter @davidastinwalsh. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Well, he went to do the things he always liked to do got to the movies if he had the money, go to the library and read if he didnt have it. What Lee missed from his childhood in comparison to me was the whole family being together all the time. His comment was she is "too much like Maw." The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasn't -- to me, it gets down to what happened later on. She clearly saw in Oswald a ticket to ride, an opportunity to leave Russia. The result of the whole mismanagement was Lees death. When Lee got back from Russia, the way he talked about the Russian system, he didnt talk about it politically, in the sense that he was wrapped up in communism or Marxism. Could you describe Oswald's relationships with women? You look at the factual data, you look at the rifle, you look at the pistol ownership, you look at his note about the Walker shooting. This was unsettling. He says he got that at the theater, and they hadn't been mistreating him since then. Additional funding is provided by the Abrams Foundation; the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation; Park Foundation; the Heising-Simons Foundation; and the FRONTLINE Journalism Fund with major support from Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation, and additional support from Koo and Patricia Yuen. David Austin Walsh is the editor of the History News Network. I asked him, I said, Lee, what in the Sam Hill is going on? He said, I dont know what theyre talking about. I said, Lee, theyve got you charged with the death of the president, shooting a police officer. But at the same time, he always was trying to get away from her. What do you do with his pistol? We also talked about her time as a reporter in Moscow in 1959 when she met 20-year-old American defector Lee Harvey Oswald in her hotel. He says, "Well, don't you know?" Explore FRONTLINEs collected and ongoing reporting on Russia's war on Ukraine. FRONTLINE reports from Iraq on the miscalculations and mistakes behind the brutal rise of ISIS. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. I don't know. Killing Oswald: Directed by Shane O'Sullivan. I didnt know but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. When you learned he had defected, did you have any explanation? Did she let you know and did she let him know that the kids were a burden? If Ukrainian intelligence did penetrate Putin's inner circle, Budanov would have never publicly blurted it out. She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee: the time and circumstances always seemed to be against her; the world owed her a living; she wanted to be somebody. It sounds like Oswald's disillusionment stemmed as much from personal as political reasons. Lee's fantasy life, to me, became apparent in the 1948, 1949, 1950 period. To me, you cant reach but one conclusion. I mean, they had asked the wrong man. One in this documentary series. They're not progressing at the speed I think he wants to progress. I know he wanted to travel. This is a struggle that has gone on with me for almost 30 years now. And this opened up certain avenues or possibilities that would not have been available to him otherwise. Lee. He could be somebody from New York that knew a lot of things, somebody that could get around be somebody else. Nothing illustrates the thinness, the superficiality of Oswald's ideology as his growing disillusionment with the Soviet Union. Three months before he assassinated President John F. Kennedy, 23-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald was interviewed a total of three times on radio and television in New Orleans, Louisiana.The attention Oswald received was undoubtedly due to the fact that the media considered him to be a very odd and unusual character. The planning that Lee did probably at least extended all the way back to the time he was in Japan because of the clothes he purchased at the time. He's going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. You see him for a few days when he gets out [of the Marines]. Hallo, inloggen. Well, it took him a little bit longer than that, but he started trying after a year to come back. He is the author of the 1981 book, The Plot To Kill the President, and in the late 1960s he campaigned for and helped write much of the anti-racketeering legislation that would usher in the demise of the Mafia. He would tolerate anything for a little bit. He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. And you don't know what the Sam Hill is going on? In his interview with FRONTLINE, Blakey calls the prosecution case against Lee Harvey Oswald "open and shut." Five or six eyewitnesses there. What do you mean? . As this realization deepens and becomes more omnipresent and more unavoidable, he feels a greater and greater need to get out, to escape. Lee Harvey Oswald is dragged from the Texas Theatre by Patrolman C.T. He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.es: Libros. Theyve got your pistol. This is mind over heart. He planned by himself, he executed by himself, he failed by himself. FRONTLINE is a registered trademark of WGBH Educational Foundation. So, to me, that was his back-up plan if everything else failed. Only weeks earlier, he had visited Soviet. His wife is trying to have a second child born in Russia. He was ready. But things were tight at that time. We were away from Lee during the three years of military school, only seeing him during the summer vacations or holiday-type things. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as Im concerned the Warren Commission was correct. Can you describe that for me? I think that's an understatement. I think he was surprised when he stepped off the plane in Dallas Field -- he asked me, "What, no reporters?" Mobile users: Watch the archive video by clicking here. Anytime they brought anything up that pertained to the assassination of the president and the shooting of the police officer, he knew nothing about it. Those are the indications that say he took some thought, some planning over a long period of time. Yes, I think that there is a process here, in the same way there had been a process in the Soviet Union, in the same way there'd been a process in the Marines, and the same way there'd been a process coursing through his adolescence. He gave it to me either the first or second night to read. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. This edition focuses on accused John F. Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, wondering whether he was a "lone gunman, conspirator, or patsy." . Well, he went to do the things he always liked to do -- got to the movies if he had the money, go to the library and read if he didn't have it. He seemed to really get involved with it and hang onto it after the programs were over. The two events -- the failed assassination of Walker and the successful assassination of Kennedy -- just represent a ratcheting up, and eventually there's this culmination of violence, which is meant to enable Oswald's escape from his life, and this way, the homicide is as much a suicide. Consequently, people left it wide open. Everything is deteriorating. His plans, as we well know now, were already made to go to Russia, rather than to Cuba. So from Oswald's vantage point, the Soviet experiment, as he would have seen it, was this marvelous opportunity to transcend where he came from. If we go and get right down to the bottom line, we have to say, really and truly, in all candor, [she did] a lousy job, a lousy job. Lee's fantasy life, to me, became apparent in the 1948, 1949, 1950 period. You've got all the physical evidence that ties together. I'm sure for a certain minimal fee, you could ride the subways all day, and he would do it just to get around. You look at the general opportunity he was present. We had an old black-and-white. 49K views 9 years ago WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. When you learned he had defected, did you have any explanation? . Lee Harvey Oswald Shooting: Interview with Eyewitnesses - Reporters, Police (2012) Way Back 26.4K subscribers 439 185K views 8 years ago Later in the day, after driving into town with his two.