. The emails we received were similarly written. We will definitely check it out. He had simply accepted the rumors. Are you not reporting instant healing to keep the confirmed miracle count up? Why should we be surprised? @ Bridget: Driscoll was never really qualified to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the first place he proved that time and time again by his un-Christlike behavior in word and action. I cannot respect or support these men knowing that they revere such a man as a pastor. I still dont think he understands the harms he has done. It is possible for someone who is engaged in homosexual behavior to stop.". They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. His statement is factually incorrect. I believe they were simply behaving as their normal selves. there is a minor child involved that both of them love deeply. Youre not trying hard enough! Mencken: No one in this world, so far as I know and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. I need to talk to the president, he may be unaware what some of his professors are teaching. In 1969, he was transferred to a church in Fairmont, W.Va. I dont see how or why the Jerusalem church could have trusted him at that point, even though they might (or some of them might) have believed his vision and repentance were real. Now I am working on something for Monday. This is not a measure of faith. Because you worked with multiple megas you have a very diverse perspective that is invaluable. I know historical accounts can be skewed. They may have been totally shocked when Mark began to spew his rude, humiliating, oppressive descriptions and warped perceptions of scripture and men and women. Hey Sam you may be interested in how Jews interpret the Mashiach (messiah) passages. I assumed that it was just me and 25,000 other people had no issue. His appeal, then and now, has much to do with his looks plus a perception of him being anti-establishment, which he was. I met the pastor. appeciate your posts and the others on this blog, i remember that, thanks Van, for the reminder. "Homosexual activity will lead to destruction. Its more the non-complementarian position to argue that women should be allowed to preach/lead based on gifting and that sounds like the argument Driscoll is raising in the quotes by him I placed in this post. The question may even be wrong, maybe it isnt what is the church but who is. However, we also see that David and Samuel were permitted to speak out publicly against Saul in truth. Likewise, you cannot be or stay a pastor if you find out that you cant respect people. Yes, I have been witnessing first hand over the years of the Calvinism in the AG. The worst thing in the world right now for Chandler is that Mark is in making the Christian news cycle. Mark' Driscoll's message has been uploaded on the church website, and we have included it here should you choose to watch it. An event of this magnitude, indoors and in such close proximity, combined with case numbers where they are and our hospitals full, could be devastating, he said. But guess what else happened? I can forgive someone even without an apology. There are some Calvinists who go in the opposite direction and are very humbled by their monergistic view of salvation. If a pastor makes a statement denying allegations, its a lie. Mark pretty much mandated participation in weekly Life Groups plus you had to use their social media platform The City to stay connected. Plus Driscoll has to be way cheaper than Judah Smith or Carl Lentz, the current kings of radical chic. ". king does not stand up for you. . Somebody cited a study that the most common characteristic of a Sociopath (well over 90%) was successfully Playing the Victim Card when caught. THANK YOU! -Katelyn According to the Pastor John Lindell, Driscoll has spoken there on three other occasions. The James River Church Joplin Campus, located at 1850 S Maiden Ln, Joplin, MO 64801 now has a permanent location! How about when people stone you for your faith? I never saw it tried in a church setting, but something like that was tried where I worked. here is a bit of what i could type out as he was speaking, would love to see a transcript of it instead of having to listen to it though. Did Paul hire a company to buy his books and get them on the bestseller list? He repeated what he has said in the past: He believes if the issue is to be addressed it should be done at the federal level. Join Us As we Welcome Our Speaker, Apostle Mark Driscoll, The Forgiven. Youre not one of us. The bathrooms were tiny and not particularly nice. Some of the current worship songs that I hear dont do too much for me. I want to have the heart for the women in the future who will allow me to be their pastor that I have for my daughters, he said, and that is if they have spiritual gifts, and are called by God, and are godly, I want to help them achieve that intentionally and encourage that and be a support for that.. But I am surprised he delivered his message from on high the pulpit. His auto suggestive words were a dead give away! I only write the truth about Gateway in order to warn others, never to discourage anyone. I think many. (?) I gave Lindell a chance to respond to that tally. I see inviting Driscoll anywhere in the same context as some dumb kid wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt. If the denominational system is rejected on doctrinal grounds, that only leaves the congregation. Wow! But we don't know yet for sure. There is great comfort to be found in that. When he walked up to speak with me I politely told him neednt spend time with me because I lived about 4 hours away RT and, therefore, wouldnt be attending his church again. I mean this only works in some venues. Like the guy who was in charge of SGM, he got away scot-free and is doing well for himself despite the outcry against him. I have always found this aspect of Pauls story very interesting. it is heartbreaking to have to help them get through the transfer of custody until the one can get through a treatment and be able to be around the child again. Obviously, I disagree with Lindell on the upcoming vote. He is young and using Jesus is all he knows. I asked where he got such information. we will see jesus face to face I dont want you to take your slander etc with you. Pokin Around: 'Cussing pastor' to preach at James River Church Hospitable, Self-controlled, Holy, Disciplined, above reproach, Not quarrelsome, not violent but gentle. Are they the ones that keep praying for their leaders to be decent people who dont crave power and position? these were murders not trials. All allegation deserve to be investigated with openess and transparancy. Mega-church Christianity with its rock bands, light shows, huge screens, and glitz reminds me more of Broadway than a church. Not much time has passed since he stepped down. He is not going to go run to a car dealership the minute he gets out of jail. Not a fan but many are. They noted that since the pandemic began, they have taken very stringent precautions at each service, including: take temperatures at the door, fog-sanitize their auditorium, sanitize the childrens areas and common areas multiple times daily and provide masks to everyone who attends. i havent seen any video or statement where he has actually apologized for anything except being mean when he should have been nicer in throwing people under the bus, shoulda offered them a pillow maybe so they didnt hit the ground so hard, but totally right in throwing them. http://www.nancyalcorn.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=21 Not me, not you, and definitely not Mark Driscoll. thanks for sharing that peter, i agree with the article but havent read any of his other posts. Thanks for sharing your answer Lydia. Thanks for your informative comment. Christians have to be different than that. MD should never have been a pastor based on how much contempt he has for his fellow man. . Why should we bother with reading history or learning the truth? I think the guys a jerk and theres plenty of evidence out there for it. But one morning as I sat at my desk in y basement office, I looked up at my little bulletin board. Joplin Campus - Joplin, MO - James River Church Online Lindell then got personal with me. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. With this much covidiocy in the country, we are proving ourselves to be the dumbest nation on earth. I hope others will join in at places like this blog and help shed light on local megas in their area. What is tragic is that these events will lead everyone who has two braincells to rub together to come to the following default conclusions: How they hold their hands, pat their hearts, stomp their feet, fall to their knees, wipe away fake tears, etc is all taught in classes. Any of all of that may be true. I know people are tired of hearing these messages and having to be acting upon them, but the virus does not care that we are tired. Just typing this has made me a bit queasy. The last time Robert Morris met and greeted anyone as part of his service he still had his braces/retainer on. I really appreciate your insights Lydia. What Im curious though is how the church (corporate) can self regulate against that in the face of the money and power, both spiritual and temporal, that types like MD help create. I sincerely hope Mark Driscoll's remarks are about this specific passage and not about himself. Why exiles dont speak out is a strange phenomenon. (stephen the shepherd? For more information about James River Church and to get connected, click the link below! How do you see this as someone looking in? @Albuquerque Blue This weekend GW is also doing Steven Furtick spontaneous baptism which are executed to the letter like Elevation. An online petition calling for Mr Driscoll to be removed from Hillsong's conferences had attracted more than 3000 signatures prior toMr Houston's statement. Nancy, i think theres a lot of truth to what you say, and its more than posdible that people he was addressing in his letters knew at least something about that. Youd think theyd feel a sense of civic duty there. He cannot or will not go back to school to become a plumber or a dentist or what ever, so he has to figure out how to get back into the Christian preaching / book writing / convention circuit. then mark goes on to teach us that we must forgive even if the person never admits wrong or says I am sorry: He was not participating in stonings. He was the vulgar shock jock of American Christianity. You dont find out about some of the really bad stuff until you are pretty deep into it. Many times it kept me from feeling like I was the only one who could see this stuff or understood how wrong it is. In his introductory remarks, he spoke of Marks kindness, humility, and genuine interest in people. was paul asking for forgiveness? Hasnt it been around long enough that either people (especially younger guys) are sick of it, or they have finally realized its harmful or obnoxious. If a pastor says anything positive about another pastor, and that other pastor has a history of patterns of behavior and teachings that are destructive it is wise to ask pastor 1 if he has checked him out before he promotes him. Dont forget his church plant was asked to leave my kids school at the time. think of him as he is pray to glorified jesusking of kings lord of lords worshiped by angels. stephen says Ive gotta find jesus on the worst most devasting difficult damaging day of my life I have to find jesus (more mark interpreting the bible for all of us non pastors, stephen already knew where Jesus was) and he sees jesus, what is jesus doing? Did that get anywhere close to answering your question? mark chose to step down not mark was removed. kinda like a person who has been abused i think, they sometimes have to get past that people may judge them for being stupid for falling for it, or they have to reconcile with the results of them speaking out, shunning, slander ie: the church calls them heretics because they dont attend anymore. The Washington Post published the following headline last Sunday: Controversial preacher Mark Driscoll stripped from megachurch Hillsong conference lineup link. Totally. in prison. Of course, the major players seem to emulate and incorporate some of the more questionable practices of each other so in a way we are ending up with a somewhat homogenous giga experience like GW having one of those Guest Central kiosks you mentioned. May the Lord bless our search for da truth, and grant us mucho wisdom. James River Assembly, Ozark MO. James River Church Online - James River TV He has lots of pics holding impoverished babies while his own 5 kids barely saw him. Mark also provided the all important yet elusive authentic community LOL! i have been ousted from 6 churches already and at first i took it as me being in error and not able to understand the bible or what the Lord had called me to be like but now i am able to see that i can trust the still small voice inside and the Holy Spirit to give me understanding of the scriptures without having to run it by a pastor somewhere. This is largely shielded from television audiences who only view a heavily edited 22 minute message. Every week seems to get more strange and more openly cult like. Its really big in Charismatic/Pentecostal circles I think mainly because they are more predisposed to bad behavior (think TBN and Daystar whackos). According to the Pastor John Lindell, Driscoll has spoken there on three other occasions. @ sam: I was shocked and deeply saddened to see photos from the James River event over the weekend. mode. peaceable disposition. Hasnt it been around long enough that either people (especially younger guys) are sick of it, or they have finally realized its harmful or obnoxious? notable pastors have been pouring into his life. The youngest generation may be leaving the church in record numbers but at least they have a fighting chance of finding the real God later. I asked the mayor, specifically, how he will vote on the matter April 7. And of course, the author of Acts is writing more of a historical narrative so we dont get a lot of details. http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/answers/jewish-polemics/texts/christian-proof-texting/, from reading rob smiths post about the orphanage Agathos in Africa being defunded by Marks Hill church and marks telling missionaries not to work with them it is clear where Matt Chandler got the idea. Ok, so i am seeing that a lot of people do not like this church. What is the biblical prescription for sinning Elders? Judging a pastors or missionaries repentance is not being critical of pastors, its saying, this is a position that has really high moral qualifications and if you dont have them, get out of the pulpit. CAn you see him in some sort of corporate environment working for a woman? Southern Missouri . OZARK, Mo. I dont think theres been any repentance at all. i was thinking about how i probably sound critical to some people when i post on here about how i dont think people are apologizing right. You are so spot on. James River Church, a multi-campus, 17,000-member megachurch in Missouri, is now fending off strong criticism from the public and health officials after pictures posted on social media showed what appear to be hundreds of unmasked people, practicing very little social distancing packed inside their Springfield location to participate in Christmas services. What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. If you become used to a certain standard of living, that does not mean you are entitled to that standard of living. Oh no. In your mega travels Lydia, is this homogenization of bad practices the norm? So, that is why I think it would have been wise for Driscoll to remove himself from the limelight and assume a servant posture. Watch LIVE every Sunday at 9am, 10:45am, 12:30pm, and 7pm as well as every Wednesday at 7pm. paul was all about not having followers or being glorified. @ Lydia: I have learned much on this blog and often from your comments which are intelligent and insightful. Maybe six months from now, therell be another terrible story, and well know that the BSd us. The term was invented by Tom Wolfe back in the 70s to describe the superficial gliteratti associating with revolutionary thugs as a way to prove their bonafides.